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Re: What is your take about the author?

Post by Sahansdal » 23 May 2019, 16:21

InStoree wrote:
20 May 2019, 01:14
Julie Petitbon wrote:
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Renu G wrote:
02 May 2019, 05:34
The author had responded to my comment on LinkedIn by stating that the findings spell the end of Christianity. What nonsense!
Wow...just..wow. That is a bit presumptuous and insensitive of the author. I think it is admirable to be passionate about your findings and beliefs, but that doesn't mean you should be disrespectful or insensitive to the beliefs of others.
Sometimes, when we're drawn into a supposed life purpose, this dedication comes at the package with a pair of horse glasses and all we can see is the straight-ahead road. Maybe, this accessory played a role in his disrespectful comment? Not an excuse, of course! Anyway, his inappropriate behaviour, definitely, will not boost the end of Christianity.
Why so touchy? If you don't want to learn about new information, never before seen, don't. But don't tell me I'm being disrespectful for trying to correct the record you revere, now known to be derived, inverted, fiction.

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Post by Washboard » 24 May 2019, 09:20

evraealtana wrote:
02 May 2019, 08:51
Renu G wrote:
02 May 2019, 05:34
The author had responded to my comment on LinkedIn by stating that the findings spell the end of Christianity. What nonsense!
This seems somewhat pretentious of him... especially since the book made the argument for a shift in Christian thinking, not the end of it. I cannot believe that what he said was what he actually meant.
He does make a comment in the conclusion of the book saying that the entire foundation of Christianity is based on a lie, that Jesus didn't die for anyone, and that the only spiritual guidance one can seek must be from living Masters. It was very out of tone from the rest of the book, but I am not surprised that he would make the leap saying his book will end Christianity.
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Post by Sahansdal » 24 May 2019, 15:03

Washboard wrote:
24 May 2019, 09:20
evraealtana wrote:
02 May 2019, 08:51
Renu G wrote:
02 May 2019, 05:34
The author had responded to my comment on LinkedIn by stating that the findings spell the end of Christianity. What nonsense!

This seems somewhat pretentious of him... especially since the book made the argument for a shift in Christian thinking, not the end of it. I cannot believe that what he said was what he actually meant.
He does make a comment in the conclusion of the book saying that the entire foundation of Christianity is based on a lie, that Jesus didn't die for anyone, and that the only spiritual guidance one can seek must be from living Masters. It was very out of tone from the rest of the book, but I am not surprised that he would make the leap saying his book will end Christianity.
And this is a good thing! It means disciples always get to SEE their Master. John 6:40 says so. It"s about all that is left of THE TRUTH in the New Testament. The writers of the traditional Gospels were NO ONE'S friends. It was all done for power and money. Masters have always come -- since Seth, Genesis 4:26. They still do.

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Post by eastandalchemy » 24 May 2019, 16:08

My guess is that the author is spiritual but is more concerned with seeking out the truth than being a devout follower. I think it goes without saying that the Christian church would not be happy with his revelations, but at the very least they may bring up some insightful discussions.

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Post by Sahansdal » 25 May 2019, 03:04

eastandalchemy wrote:
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My guess is that the author is spiritual but is more concerned with seeking out the truth than being a devout follower. I think it goes without saying that the Christian church would not be happy with his revelations, but at the very least they may bring up some insightful discussions.
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Post by colorsparkle » 26 May 2019, 09:06

I feel like he may have left religion, as he seems to be trying to convince others that the church is wrong.

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Post by Sahansdal » 26 May 2019, 09:22

colorsparkle wrote:
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I feel like he may have left religion, as he seems to be trying to convince others that the church is wrong.
Just because the Church is wrong is no reason to leave religion. I'm quite religious.

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Post by SorcPenz » 26 May 2019, 15:05

Well he's Gnostic. So there's a need to understand what that means. Many Gnostics will say they are spiritual not religious. Now that makes me think he is against the hierarchical institution and community but not the texts. I mean why would he pour himself through these texts with this much effort if these ancient peoples didn't mean something to him. "End of Christianity" I could imagine as more of a sentiment and a controversial statement to get attention, honestly. End to Christianity as we know it. I mean, do you consider Gnosticism to be Christian? I do. There are a ton of religions and spiritual practices that don't even look at Jesus and Gnostics spend quite some time studying and listening to things on Jesus.

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Post by Sahansdal » 26 May 2019, 21:49

SorcPenz wrote:
26 May 2019, 15:05
Well he's Gnostic. So there's a need to understand what that means. Many Gnostics will say they are spiritual not religious. Now that makes me think he is against the hierarchical institution and community but not the texts. I mean why would he pour himself through these texts with this much effort if these ancient peoples didn't mean something to him. "End of Christianity" I could imagine as more of a sentiment and a controversial statement to get attention, honestly. End to Christianity as we know it. I mean, do you consider Gnosticism to be Christian? I do. There are a ton of religions and spiritual practices that don't even look at Jesus and Gnostics spend quite some time studying and listening to things on Jesus.
SorcPenz,
What most consider, 'Christianity' is "A man, Jesus Christ, gave his life for the sins of all mankind to save them from death somehow." Ok it is actually saved from rebirth, but that is a gnostic idea....

I feel like quitting when I hear I am just out for notoriety. If I could do this better
I would do this anonymously. It has to be done. I get nervous in front of a crowd.

Christianity is over. It will take time of course to percolate. We have been duped for 20 centuries. The Nag Hammadi texts ended it, but scholars' bias caused them to miss it.

I believe I proved this. It was simple textual analysis, not religious argumentation. I can help with any question if you think you have one on this. There is no way the Apocalypse of James is so similar to the story of the canonical Gospels by chance. And the Gnostics were the originators.

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Post by beccabecky » 29 May 2019, 00:43

Probably this book would be considered a betrayal of christian beliefs. I think the author is interesting in creating a healthy debate on the issue.

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Post by Sahansdal » 29 May 2019, 01:17

beccabecky wrote:
29 May 2019, 00:43
Probably this book would be considered a betrayal of christian beliefs. I think the author is interesting in creating a healthy debate on the issue.
Read it and write a review? I could use thoughtful reviews on Amazon.

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Post by Browlyns » 30 May 2019, 03:22

The author is definitely not a Christian. He is definitely trying to debunk the belief and raise the status of Judas.

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Post by Zeix » 31 May 2019, 07:51

I think the author is just open minded and he is trying to figure out his unanswered questions

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Post by Sahansdal » 31 May 2019, 09:22

Zeix wrote:
31 May 2019, 07:51
I think the author is just open minded and he is trying to figure out his unanswered questions
That is part of it. Want to help? I can't so far get any scholars to help. I do have a few more questions. But I am sure Judas was covering James.

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Post by Sahansdal » 03 Jun 2019, 09:34

freakkshowx wrote:
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chelhack wrote:
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I feel that the author has a belief in what he feels is his or the truth that he wants it to be. I feel that he really has no reason or right to target the Biblical Scholars has he has. If they are wrong at least the tried to bring a good word and direct people in living good lives. I think that he is to hung up on wanting to prove them or others to be wrong and himself as being right. What if it didn't happen either of their way of viewing or trying to recap the time.
Absolutely, I found it strange and almost offensive how he singled out and ragged on a specific one or two theologians, especially the female. He nearly forgot what he was even arguing in order to address them directly in their "wrongness", so to speak. I was not amused by this, and I'm not even Christian.
This is the author. I've said that April DeConick contributed some good translation choices, like, "Your star has ascended" in the ode to Judas, but that her persistence to mischaracterize the gnostic Judas as condemned is wrong. She is a scholar! She should know better. You are not the one to be dismissed with slights, like, "he drank the cool-aid" or, "you'll never get anywhere with that Guru stuff!" I get fed up with scholars. So would you.

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