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Biblically, God knows whatever will happen even before they happen. I agree with you that the fall of man was God's plan.
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Yes, our inborn sins are as a result of the disobedience of Adam and Eve. But through Jesus Christ, the original sins were forgiven. It's now upon an individual to choose between the good and the bad.Kirsi_78 wrote: ↑03 Jun 2020, 09:49 That is a very good question. Unfortunately, we'll never know the answer.
And what comes to your second question, I suppose Eve and Adam were not born with original sin, but they used their freedom of choice and as a result, everyone who's come after them is born with original sin. But even with this original sin we still have the freedom to choose what we do and what we don't do... That's what I've reasoned about this difficult topic so far.
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Thanks for elaborating on the issue and educating me about other religious. I'm excited to learn that the original sin is only found in the Christian doctrines.Usuma Khan wrote: ↑03 Jun 2020, 10:40 The doctrine of original sin means that each human being is born into the world with an inherently selfish nature, and has to learn to love others and to love God. Original sin is a uniquely Christian doctrine. Neither Judaism nor Islam has a doctrine of original sin; in these religions, sin is personal and freely chosen. Each person is therefore responsible only for his or her own sin.
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Yes, God has given everyone the power to resist every temptation that the devil may bring. I agree that everyone is responsible for their individual sins.Bookreviwer2020 wrote: ↑03 Jun 2020, 13:21 Yes I agree...each person is responsible for their own sins. The devil merely wispers and encourages people to do bad, but people can choose to ignore that and do good. So we may have influences - religious doctrines ask us to do good and the devil asks is to do bad; but human beings are responsible for themselves and what they do...otherwise it would not be right to punish sinners id they did not choose to win right?
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Are you of the opinion that God didn't know that humanity would choose evil instead of godliness before or when he was creating them?J_odoyo wrote: ↑03 Jun 2020, 13:29 Definitely humanity could have gone a different way, because God didn't create humans to be dominated by evil. And he also didn't create them to be slaves or robots programed to worship him; rather, he gave them the free will chose good or bad. They chose evil, and here we're today.
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Yes. And we would be free from temptations, sin, and all the challenges that we found in this world. We would be the true children if God who obey his command.
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This is true. Humanity would have taken a completely different path. There would have been no sin, no religion etc. It's the choice of Adam who accepted to be deceived. We perish because of his decision.B Creech wrote: ↑03 Jun 2020, 17:23 I believe if Adam and Eve had never sinned humanity would have definitely gone a different way. Jesus would not have had to come to earth and die for our sins, because I don't believe we would have sinned! I believe the reason we are born with sinful tendencies is because of Adam and Eve sinning. That is just my personal opinion. We do have free will and it is our decision to make. I still tell my children, "Every day when you get up you have one of two choices to make - you can do what is right, or you can do what is wrong. If you choose to take the wrong path, don't blame God for the potholes!"
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Yes . The Bible says that anyone who believes in Jesus is free from the inherited sinful nature. We are free because of him.Reubeney wrote: ↑03 Jun 2020, 17:51 I also think we are born with original sin due to the fall of Adam and Eve in the garden which made the whole human generation sinful. But thanks for the gift of His son who redeems anyone who makes a choice to believe in Him. So I believe it all goes back to the issue of using our own free will to make a decision to believe or not. To do the right or not.
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Not really. Of course God is all knowing. He must have known the fall of man prior and even the Bible affirms that. That's why he had chosen his son, Jesus Christ, before the creation of the Earth, to come and die for humanity—when time was right—for them to be restored back to Him (God). That's why all humanity can only go back to the Father through Jesus Christ.JM Reviews wrote: ↑08 Jun 2020, 05:18Are you of the opinion that God didn't know that humanity would choose evil instead of godliness before or when he was creating them?J_odoyo wrote: ↑03 Jun 2020, 13:29 Definitely humanity could have gone a different way, because God didn't create humans to be dominated by evil. And he also didn't create them to be slaves or robots programed to worship him; rather, he gave them the free will chose good or bad. They chose evil, and here we're today.
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I like this answer. Couldn’t have put it better myself!J_odoyo wrote: ↑03 Jun 2020, 13:29 Definitely humanity could have gone a different way, because God didn't create humans to be dominated by evil. And he also didn't create them to be slaves or robots programed to worship him; rather, he gave them the free will chose good or bad. They chose evil, and here we're today.
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I believe so too.
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Well said. Everything that happened, is happening and will happen are all to God's knowledge. I also think he knew man was going to fallJ_odoyo wrote: ↑09 Jun 2020, 01:44Not really. Of course God is all knowing. He must have known the fall of man prior and even the Bible affirms that. That's why he had chosen his son, Jesus Christ, before the creation of the Earth, to come and die for humanity—when time was right—for them to be restored back to Him (God). That's why all humanity can only go back to the Father through Jesus Christ.JM Reviews wrote: ↑08 Jun 2020, 05:18Are you of the opinion that God didn't know that humanity would choose evil instead of godliness before or when he was creating them?J_odoyo wrote: ↑03 Jun 2020, 13:29 Definitely humanity could have gone a different way, because God didn't create humans to be dominated by evil. And he also didn't create them to be slaves or robots programed to worship him; rather, he gave them the free will chose good or bad. They chose evil, and here we're today.