I agree that it may be both. It says in the bible that God created us in his image. Jesus also died for all of our sins. So in that way, we are all the same, but we're also individuals. We're different in our actions, way of thinking and circumstance. As such, maybe God sees us as individuals in those ways?AlphasFemale wrote: ↑28 May 2020, 16:40 While I do not directly have an option one way or the other as far as whether God sees people as Jesus or as individuals, I do fee that your question is valid. I think maybe the answer is both..? That he sees his son in people as a whole but sees each person on their own as well.
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I agree with your point though I think this is where forgiveness now comes in. May be you should ask for forgiveness from those that you've affected adversely at some point and proceed to repent by confession and accepting and believing in Him.
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If I may ask, how would you repay someone or their loved ones for a murder that you did. Assuming your sin was killing.Reubeney wrote: ↑03 Jun 2020, 19:48I agree with your point though I think this is where forgiveness now comes in. May be you should ask for forgiveness from those that you've affected adversely at some point and proceed to repent by confession and accepting and believing in Him.
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You can't. But that is what is/should have been expected from you by the religion, if all the sins are forgivenReubeney wrote: ↑03 Jun 2020, 19:53If I may ask, how would you repay someone or their loved ones for a murder that you did. Assuming your sin was killing.
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Nerea wrote: ↑01 May 2020, 01:18 I like how the author defines Grace (undeserved kindness) and reveals how it affects us. But I beg to differ a little bit with the author’s sentiments in location 343, paragraph 2 where the author talks about how God views us as individuals. He says;
“To be in Christ means that when God looks at you, He doesn’t see all your sins, failures, and rough spots. When you are in Christ, God just sees Jesus. You may see the scars, the mess, and the problems, but God sees perfection in Jesus.”
I don’t know if I’m the one who got it wrong. Feel free to correct me. My issue comes in where the author says, God does not see our effects of imperfection, but He sees perfection in Jesus. I believe God is aware of all our sinful inclinations, and He wants us to change and become useful vessels in His service. To achieve that, He has used His word and His Holy Spirit to help us correct our weaknesses so that we can attain perfection/holiness. He provides comfort whenever we feel low, through the Bible, and give us the strength that will help us endure all our “rough spots.” For God to draw us closer to Christ, He chooses to look at the good in us despite our bad tendencies, failures, and trials. (Ref; Genesis 6:5, Psalms 51:5, Isaiah 48:17,18, 1 peter 1:14-16, 2 Corinthians 1:3,4, John 6:44, Psalms 103:12-14).
Does God only “see perfection in Jesus,” or is He also interested in us as individuals?
Its quite simple.
God sees only Jesus, because for us to enjoy God's grace it means we are already submerged in Jesus. So everything we experience in life sin, imperfections, weaknesses are all hidden, ridden, dealt with and perfected as we remain hidden in Jesus. That's why like you said, the only thing that guides us out of the quagmire of sin and imperfections is Jesus, the word of God!
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I’m an atheist, but if I did believe in a god, I’d agree with your assessment. I don’t think we can know what a diety thinks or sees.
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1. Have accepted Jesus
2. Are aware of our depravity and cling to God for both grace and salvation
We need to remember that we are the righteousness of God through Jesus. Therefore, our right standing is because of the finished work done at the cross. God does see our mess but we are not under condemnation so long as HIS Spirit which is in us causes us to cry 'Abba'! Because we cling to Jesus, despite our perceived mess, we have the status of 'righteous' because we are the righteousness of God THROUGH Christ Jesus.