Did this book change your perspective on 'the cheater' in any way?
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Re: Did this book change your perspective on 'the cheater' in any way?
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Given that the story took place over 15 years, she may may have felt a little lonely, don't you think? And there are more casualties in the cheater scenario than just the husband and wife. Their kids no doubt felt the backlash - something else that the narrator didn't seem to include in his bubble.NetMassimo wrote: ↑15 Jan 2020, 02:51That's an interesting statement. I didn't think about that because Rachel seemed to me very busy with her children, but maybe there was a point when they went to kindergarden / school and she found the time to have an affair too.
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One of the narrator's problems was that he didn't seem to understand his children's possible reactions to their parents' unhappiness.djr6090 wrote: ↑16 Jan 2020, 12:34
Given that the story took place over 15 years, she may may have felt a little lonely, don't you think? And there are more casualties in the cheater scenario than just the husband and wife. Their kids no doubt felt the backlash - something else that the narrator didn't seem to include in his bubble.
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Exactly my point. He didn't put so much effort in making his wife feel loved. He could hqve divorced her rather than cheating on her.Frances019 wrote: ↑13 Jan 2020, 20:59I also noticed that he didn't do anything special for his wife. I figured he was too exhausted after work and too dead inside to try, but I do wonder if Rachel would have been nicer to him if he had taken the time to romance her. I agree that he should have ended his relationship when he realized he liked Lara. Even if it was just a phase, that should have been a wake up call that his current relationship was dead.unamilagra wrote: ↑11 Jan 2020, 17:42 I honestly still have a hard time really feeling sorry for him or thinking he was justified. Yes, his wife was not supportive, but she was run ragged taking care of three kids while he went gallivanting off on vacations. I never really noticed him going out of his way to make her feel loved either. Plus, in modern society, it's really not that hard to get a divorce if you aren't happy. Yes, he was weak, and I don't think his actions made him less likable as a character, but I still think you should end one relationship before you start the next.
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So I was not surprised the protagonist cheater. I was not surprised he felt guilty. And I was not surprised he went back. Because no matter how guilty he felt, the woman he was cheating with was still giving him something he was not getting out of his marriage.
Do I agree with cheating? No. But I also think it is really hard to draw real conclusions about what was going on in his marriage with only his perspective. Withour hearing Rachel's side of the story, there's not a whole lot we can really decide. She might have been secretly happy he cheated because that gave her an "out" to an unhappy marriage where no one would "blame" her for the failed marriage, etc.
And I agree that it might have been better had the protagonist talked to any of his friends about it, but given the "rules" of the man missions, it was not exactly a surprise that this was a group that did not really talk about their feelings to each other. I mean, "he who whines the most wears the pink bracelet".
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I think a lot of men are raised to 'think' like that. The same way a lot of women are raised to think that keeping a house spotless and always having home-cooked meals and clean laundry show their family how they care.
And truth be told it DOES! In both cases. It's just that because the roles are so familiar, after living with someone for a while what people start doing in the beginning because they care, not because they have to, gets overlooked by their partner.
Partners should appreciate each other and show each other their appreciation more often rather than just slipping into a slump of this is 'my job' and this is 'yours'.
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You know I did think that Rachel might be cheating or might have thought about it but WOW I never considered that she may have been relieved in the end over the relationship ending. Upset over the cheating, yes, but maybe slightly relieved that he did it before she did because they were both in a mess by that point. I mean, she did call it first in the kitchen! She just changed her mind because of how upset he got!esp1975 wrote: ↑19 Jan 2020, 16:55 She might have been secretly happy he cheated because that gave her an "out" to an unhappy marriage where no one would "blame" her for the failed marriage, etc.
And I agree that it might have been better had the protagonist talked to any of his friends about it, but given the "rules" of the man missions, it was not exactly a surprise that this was a group that did not really talk about their feelings to each other. I mean, "he who whines the most wears the pink bracelet".
And that stupid pink bracelet! Probably the only thing I hated in this book! But still a very good representation of the ways men 'front' about being 'manly' and challenge their peers to be that way as well through some sort of shared humiliation, in this case wearing one of your kid's pink bracelets. Sharing your feelings is so much better.
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This !!! Both of them were incredibly unsympathetic to each other's situation, what with both of their responsibilities and the narrator's inner conflict, though his decision--perhaps not completely an active decision, but a decision nevertheless--to deal with the situation was cheating instead of communicating.unamilagra wrote: ↑11 Jan 2020, 17:42 I honestly still have a hard time really feeling sorry for him or thinking he was justified. Yes, his wife was not supportive, but she was run ragged taking care of three kids while he went gallivanting off on vacations. I never really noticed him going out of his way to make her feel loved either. Plus, in modern society, it's really not that hard to get a divorce if you aren't happy. Yes, he was weak, and I don't think his actions made him less likable as a character, but I still think you should end one relationship before you start the next.
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I agree with this so much. It's so sad. So often it's a "grass is greener" thing. People also need to learn how to ask for their needs and leave terrible relationships.DorcasToo wrote: ↑11 Jan 2020, 02:41 Yes. It's not okay to justify cheating but when people are unhappy in marriage it eventually happens. When there's somebody else gives you happiness and peace you lack in your marriage or relationship, you automatically lean towards them. And this is the case here.