Who is the best Villain in the story?

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Tomah wrote: ↑
01 Sep 2019, 14:11
I vote for the Fate Sealers as well since they're a looming presence throughout the book. The thing about surprise villains is that we might not get a chance to really feel invested in them as villains, so the final confrontation doesn't feel as compelling. I disliked the false king for similar reasons: he only shows up at the very end to be defeated.
Yes when the false king showed up for revenge it threw me off. I think I literally shook my head like okay where are you coming from all of a sudden?!

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Ferdinand_otieno wrote: ↑
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The Fate Sealers, without a doubt! With the False King a close second for me.
But the Fate Sealers followed the False King's commands.
So does that make the false king the best/worst villian!?

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A lot of folks here say the Fate Sealers but I think Victor Valerian is the worst. He was able to orchestrate the entire thing without being caught until the end and then hr had the whole creepy charming thing going for him.
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Kro92813 wrote: ↑
10 Sep 2019, 20:15
Ferdinand_otieno wrote: ↑
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The Fate Sealers, without a doubt! With the False King a close second for me.
But the Fate Sealers followed the False King's commands.
So does that make the false king the best/worst villian!?
That would make him more dangerous than the fate sealers as an antagonist.

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Nisha Ward wrote: ↑
11 Sep 2019, 03:12
A lot of folks here say the Fate Sealers but I think Victor Valerian is the worst. He was able to orchestrate the entire thing without being caught until the end and then hr had the whole creepy charming thing going for him.
The Villain in the shadows worked perfectly for Victor Valorian.

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Kro92813 wrote: ↑
10 Sep 2019, 20:15
Ferdinand_otieno wrote: ↑
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06 Sep 2019, 04:57
The Fate Sealers, without a doubt! With the False King a close second for me.
But the Fate Sealers followed the False King's commands.
So does that make the false king the best/worst villian!?
He False King was able to kill the king, trick the successor (his elder brother) into creating a law that led to his execution, and gain control of Echoland and Fate Sealers.

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sarahmarlowe wrote: ↑
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Ferdinand_otieno wrote: ↑
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Kro92813 wrote: ↑
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The fate sealers because they had a constant presence throughout the entire book
They even had a headquarter in an Orphanage, damn!
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Fate Sealers either wanted to scare the opharnage kids straight or end children just for the fun of it.

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Tomah wrote: ↑
01 Sep 2019, 14:11
I vote for the Fate Sealers as well since they're a looming presence throughout the book. The thing about surprise villains is that we might not get a chance to really feel invested in them as villains, so the final confrontation doesn't feel as compelling. I disliked the false king for similar reasons: he only shows up at the very end to be defeated.
Fate Sealers were interesting antagonists, but they were essentially puppets to the False King and even at times Victor Valorian who presented a greater threat.

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Sana Rabbani wrote: ↑
09 Sep 2019, 10:28
I vote for the Fate Sealers because they actually make the best antagonists. They were absolutely savage throughout the book.
I would also select Fate Sealers as the best antagonist were they not following the False King's commands. The False King would be my selection for better villain than them.

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Ferdinand_otieno wrote: ↑
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Okay, it is entirely on a whim but I think the Fate Sealers are similar to dementors! That's what I thought when I first read about them.
I think the False King is the worst. He killed the King , lost his hand to his brother then devised a way for that brother to create a rule that led to his downfall-Diabolical is an understatement.
I agree that the prize goes to the false King. His appearance inside the nurse was a jolt. I kept waiting for him to show up with a goblin army or something.

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djr6090 wrote: ↑
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Ferdinand_otieno wrote: ↑
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Benthic wrote: ↑
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Okay, it is entirely on a whim but I think the Fate Sealers are similar to dementors! That's what I thought when I first read about them.
I think the False King is the worst. He killed the King , lost his hand to his brother then devised a way for that brother to create a rule that led to his downfall-Diabolical is an understatement.
I agree that the prize goes to the false King. His appearance inside the nurse was a jolt. I kept waiting for him to show up with a goblin army or something.
The False King was a conniving Villain willing to take their time in order to capture Will when he was most vulnerable.

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Kro92813 wrote: ↑
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The Fate Sealers, without a doubt! With the False King a close second for me.
But the Fate Sealers followed the False King's commands.
So does that make the false king the best/worst villian!?
I think it makes him a bit of both. The False King has attributes making him the best and worst villain.

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Nisha Ward wrote: ↑
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A lot of folks here say the Fate Sealers but I think Victor Valerian is the worst. He was able to orchestrate the entire thing without being caught until the end and then hr had the whole creepy charming thing going for him.
Victor Valorian had a hand in planning most if not all the antagonistic events before and after Will got to Echoland. His charm if anything, makes him highly dangerous.

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sarahmarlowe wrote: ↑
03 Sep 2019, 14:26
Ferdinand_otieno wrote: ↑
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Kro92813 wrote: ↑
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The fate sealers because they had a constant presence throughout the entire book
They even had a headquarter in an Orphanage, damn!
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Their activities in the opharnage are what terrify me most about them. Will was always looking over his shoulder and it was always dangerous to stray far from others...and sometimes it wasn't even safe in a crowd.

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Benthic wrote: ↑
02 Sep 2019, 00:53
Okay, it is entirely on a whim but I think the Fate Sealers are similar to dementors! That's what I thought when I first read about them.
That was my perception of the Fate Sealers the entire time I read the book. Even the depictions make them out to be like Dementors. it was one of the things that makes them terrifying antagonists/villains in this story.

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