What is your opinion on the author using the apocrypha?
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Re: What is your opinion on the author using the apocrypha?
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Yeah, that is so true. I never really thought about it in that way. What some churches consider to be apocrypha, others could consider to be scripture.A G Darr wrote: ↑05 May 2019, 16:44 I didn't have a problem with the author using apocrypha. There are a lot of books left out of the Bible. It is hard to say which books were left out because they are false and which were left out because they did not align with the Church's agenda. That is not to say I totally believe the "Gospel of Judas" is a true gospel, but I also do not completely discredit it.
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Yes, I think the basis for his book and his new Gnoticism views relies heavily on the Gospel of Judasreneelu1998 wrote: ↑04 May 2019, 16:06 I noticed that the author starts right out (and throughout the entire book) relying heavily on the "Gospel of Judas" which is considered apocrypha by most people since it isn't included in the canonical Bible. Do you think the author relies too heavily on this one book of scripture?
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woah this sounds really interesting, and I must say, I do agree with you. Apocrypha is something that is vaguely familiar to me thus I am not sure of my stand to it. but this one sheds a light.katinabuchanan5 wrote: ↑05 May 2019, 16:39 Yes. I think Wahler only intends to use this story in particular because he wants to prove a point. Moreover, the point is that he believes that the Christian Faith short changed the real meaning of the Life of Judas because of what Christianity is supposed to be about all together. I think that he best explains himself, when he asks over and over, if the reader could just picture with him. I find that most times the Life of Judas causes penetration, instead of acceptance. The same inquisition should apply today. Most people are very accepting of what happens today, without a question and I find biblical questions to be just that, just questions. And I really do think that the author was good at making the point of that is what he has always believed. But my overall, opinion is that it's okay and acceptable to talk about apocrypha, per say.
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briellejee wrote: ↑12 May 2019, 06:39woah this sounds really interesting, and I must say, I do agree with you. Apocrypha is something that is vaguely familiar to me thus I am not sure of my stand to it. but this one sheds a light.katinabuchanan5 wrote: ↑05 May 2019, 16:39 Yes. I think Wahler only intends to use this story in particular because he wants to prove a point. Moreover, the point is that he believes that the Christian Faith short changed the real meaning of the Life of Judas because of what Christianity is supposed to be about all together. I think that he best explains himself, when he asks over and over, if the reader could just picture with him. I find that most times the Life of Judas causes penetration, instead of acceptance. The same inquisition should apply today. Most people are very accepting of what happens today, without a question and I find biblical questions to be just that, just questions. And I really do think that the author was good at making the point of that is what he has always believed. But my overall, opinion is that it's okay and acceptable to talk about apocrypha, per say.
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jessinikkip wrote: ↑12 May 2019, 13:10 I think that it isn't a problem the author uses Apocrypha. In my opinion, the church basically left out anything that didn't agree with what they wanted when they put together the first edition of the Bible. I've read portions of the Apocrypha, and it isn't that it has information that contradicts the Bible (feel free to let me know if I'm wrong, as I haven't read the whole thing), but that it's either different or written by people they didn't want to focus on.
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I don't think I could have said this better myself. I have never really understood why there is so much more external authenticity assigned to the books of the New Testament than to the more recently unearthed ancient texts. I don't think it is farfetched to think that there was an agenda that drove the standards for inclusion in the Bible. It seems to me there is quite a bit of material in the Bible that is of questionable veracity because of mistranslation and misinterpretation. So much of it is translations of translations of someone's memory (often years later) of someone else's written or spoken word. I respect that people's faith propels them to trust that the Bible is the Word. I have just come to believe that it's more complex than that.A G Darr wrote: ↑05 May 2019, 16:44 I didn't have a problem with the author using apocrypha. There are a lot of books left out of the Bible. It is hard to say which books were left out because they are false and which were left out because they did not align with the Church's agenda. That is not to say I totally believe the "Gospel of Judas" is a true gospel, but I also do not completely discredit it.
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Thank you, because I believe you are correct in saying that the Bible was narrowed down for the reasons you stated.jessinikkip wrote: ↑12 May 2019, 13:10 I think that it isn't a problem the author uses Apocrypha. In my opinion, the church basically left out anything that didn't agree with what they wanted when they put together the first edition of the Bible. I've read portions of the Apocrypha, and it isn't that it has information that contradicts the Bible (feel free to let me know if I'm wrong, as I haven't read the whole thing), but that it's either different or written by people they didn't want to focus on.
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