Does the book change your religeous beliefs?

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Re: Does the book change your religeous beliefs?

Post by Brandy C » 20 Jul 2019, 21:49

Sahansdal wrote:
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Brandy C wrote:
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Sahansdal wrote:
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What if you saw the savior in the flesh, the savior for all alive today, would that interest you? I guess not. Seeing would not be believing, right? Petalumaprogram.org
Wow! The way you're presenting your ”point” is the reason many people don't believe. It seems to be your way or no way. You can't make someone believe one way or another by trying to ram it down their throat or bully them! Of course, seeing the Savior would interest me. Seeing is believing but not all of it. We believe in many things we can't visually see.
Why does everyone act so defensively? I don't make the rules! I'm only the messenger. I'm trying my best, in a labor of love, since there is no money in this, to fill people in on things THEY CAN CHECK THEMSELVES.
Your response and position come off as aggressive that is why it seems we are defensive.
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Post by Sahansdal » 20 Jul 2019, 22:04

Brandy C wrote:
20 Jul 2019, 21:49
Sahansdal wrote:
18 Jul 2019, 13:20
Brandy C wrote:
18 Jul 2019, 12:06


Wow! The way you're presenting your ”point” is the reason many people don't believe. It seems to be your way or no way. You can't make someone believe one way or another by trying to ram it down their throat or bully them! Of course, seeing the Savior would interest me. Seeing is believing but not all of it. We believe in many things we can't visually see.
Why does everyone act so defensively? I don't make the rules! I'm only the messenger. I'm trying my best, in a labor of love, since there is no money in this, to fill people in on things THEY CAN CHECK THEMSELVES.
Your response and position come off as aggressive that is why it seems we are defensive.
Aggressive to whom? If you protect ignorance, then you may be offended. I have no position to defend. It isn't "my" way. This is The Way. It is information that should be shared. I don't have time for many of the attacks I get, so it may just be my defensiveness you perceive.

Seeing is certainly believing. I recommend it. www.Petalumaprogram.org www.Fayettevilleprogram.org We should all be so lucky.

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Post by Aubrey Lewis » 23 Jul 2019, 11:33

No, it does not change my beliefs. It was slightly interesting as to how the book portrayed Judas as, but my view of him remains the same.

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Post by Sahansdal » 23 Jul 2019, 11:51

Aubrey Lewis wrote:
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No, it does not change my beliefs. It was slightly interesting as to how the book portrayed Judas as, but my view of him remains the same.
Still,
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Post by Maralynx » 23 Jul 2019, 19:27

It does not in the slightest. I do not even know what to say about this book. It is unreasonable, without hard proof or good hypothesis. The author is throwing other researchers under the bus by claiming they do not understand anything.
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Post by Sahansdal » 23 Jul 2019, 19:51

Maralynx wrote:
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It does not in the slightest. I do not even know what to say about this book. It is unreasonable, without hard proof or good hypothesis. The author is throwing other researchers under the bus by claiming they do not understand anything.
Well, you got that last part right. Only Dr. Robert Eisenman knows Christianity has a big problem with the truth, and went on the record with it. Well, Dr. Richard Carrier and Dr. Robert Price could also be cited. They know, too... But Eisenman uses the recent discoveries, as I also do, for hard proof.

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Post by Amina Yusuf » 24 Jul 2019, 09:28

I don't think the book will change my religious beliefs. Though it raises some questions regarding Judas, we need to look at it from the author's perspective. However, it should not question our beliefs from the original version of events.

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Post by Sahansdal » 24 Jul 2019, 09:54

Amina Yusuf wrote:
24 Jul 2019, 09:28
I don't think the book will change my religious beliefs. Though it raises some questions regarding Judas, we need to look at it from the author's perspective. However, it should not question our beliefs from the original version of events.
But there were no 'events.' That was the entire point. I presented a case for a gnostic original source inverted tendentiously in the canon for ulterior motives.

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Post by AKShanmar12 » 24 Jul 2019, 14:27

Sahansdal wrote:
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AKShanmar12 wrote:
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Amen. Life is too short to start projects that you don't even wish to finish. Good for you.
Thanks, I realized that this comes across like I am a complete snob, which I really try not to me, so I am glad somebody understood what I was trying to say! :?
What is wrong with getting out of the comfort zone? After all, it took a lot of discomfort to write it. = the Author
I was basically just saying that we have to make choices in life about what gets our time, and some things just don't make the list. I am a writer and I know how all-consuming the process is. Kudos to you for putting forth the effort! :)
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Post by Sahansdal » 24 Jul 2019, 16:24

AKShanmar12 wrote:
24 Jul 2019, 14:27
Sahansdal wrote:
13 Jun 2019, 16:01
AKShanmar12 wrote:
07 May 2019, 16:44


Thanks, I realized that this comes across like I am a complete snob, which I really try not to me, so I am glad somebody understood what I was trying to say! :?
What is wrong with getting out of the comfort zone? After all, it took a lot of discomfort to write it. = the Author
I was basically just saying that we have to make choices in life about what gets our time, and some things just don't make the list. I am a writer and I know how all-consuming the process is. Kudos to you for putting forth the effort! :)
Thanks. I could use reviews. :) https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/15246 ... 5K32J6D6Y1

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Post by Amina Yusuf » 26 Jul 2019, 10:26

Am referring to the Biblical version of events as we know it. The author may have his reasons for touching on such a controversial issue but his book will not convince otherwise contrary to what was recorded in the Scriptures.

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Post by Sahansdal » 26 Jul 2019, 10:43

Maralynx wrote:
23 Jul 2019, 19:27
It does not in the slightest. I do not even know what to say about this book. It is unreasonable, without hard proof or good hypothesis. The author is throwing other researchers under the bus by claiming they do not understand anything.
i did not say other researchers do not understand "anything." I said that they do not understand Gnosticism, and that is what the Gospel of Judas is: self-sacrifice, not Master sacrifice. Do what you want with that.

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Post by Sahansdal » 26 Jul 2019, 10:54

Amina Yusuf wrote:
26 Jul 2019, 10:26
Am referring to the Biblical version of events as we know it. The author may have his reasons for touching on such a controversial issue but his book will not convince otherwise contrary to what was recorded in the Scriptures.
The only true 'Scriptures' are those written by Masters. You can find most of those here: www.Scienceofthesoul.org

I would consider some of the Dead Sea Scrolls to be scripture, but only the Pesherim (those likely by James the Just). Relying on texts written by mere men, like the New Testament authors, is fraught with problems. They aren't scripture, if by that you mean inspired by realized souls. The Tanak (Old Testament) are beautiful texts, but probably not written by Masters.

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Post by Prisallen » 27 Jul 2019, 14:46

No, it does not change my beliefs or faith.

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Post by Prisallen » 27 Jul 2019, 14:47

No, it doesn't change my faith or beliefs.

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