Does the book change your religeous beliefs?

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Re: Does the book change your religeous beliefs?

Post by Sahansdal » 26 Jun 2019, 10:43

SorcPenz wrote:
26 May 2019, 15:37
I never understood how suicide was seen as such a sin in Christianity when one of the disciples had committed it himself in his despair. Although, his suicide on the tree now recalls to mind the suicide and hanging of Odin, which was meant as rebirth. But why would you blame Judas for suicide when he felt so guilty and awful about what he did? And then blame him about what he did to cause the guilt as well. It just seems like Judas is a bit of a punching bag. And I mean, I get it. The person we love went through something awful and we want to be mad at someone, we want to blame someone. It's human, and extraordinarily Christian too, weirdly enough. Blaming is strictly advised against, and yet Christians do it incessantly in their everyday lives...
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Post by Sahansdal » 26 Jun 2019, 11:20

Yasinta venance34 wrote:
25 Jun 2019, 09:19
No the book doesn't change my belief. And also I still see Judas as a traitor whose action led to the world salvation if it was self sacrifice as on the author's accord, Judas could have died on Jesus' place.
Btw, Yasinta, he did. For his own personal followers (as James of course, not 'Judas'). The thesis I present is the only way to explain John 6:40, and John 9:4-5. Masters must be living at the time of the disciple to save them. They all have said so. scienceoftheoul.org (Books by the Masters)

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Post by Wambui-nj » 27 Jun 2019, 13:33

No, It doesn't. Although it made me stop and think "what if?".

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Post by Charlie19 » 30 Jun 2019, 04:21

No, it does not because I have been reading The Bible since my childhood and his points expressed in the book are not enough for me to change my mind so quickly.

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Post by Sam Ibeh » 30 Jun 2019, 12:27

I've always seen Judas as one who had a specific role to play in the birthing of Christianity. Though, his role was a somewhat inhumane one, but he kind of fulfilled purpose. I think on this, my belief and the portrayal of Judas in this book isn't far-fetched.

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Post by Jachike Samuelson » 30 Jun 2019, 14:33

I don't believe that this book or any other for that matter can change my belief about the historical evidence for the workings and person of Christ or any of his disciples, Judas inclusive. But this isn't because I'm close minded, it's actually the opposite.

I was born in a Christian home and like many others, I had my seasons of doubt which were born out of contact with the perspectives like the author holds. All the research I've done since then makes one thing clear – the Bible may have some inconsistencies or "gaps" and that's okay because it is written by humans. However, the central message of the Bible cannot be refuted beyond reasonable doubt. Many have tried for countless centuries to no avail. I've tried too in my own little way but the Bible in the end always seems to stand head and shoulders above all ridicule or questioning. The Bible and Christianity is simply evidential truth.

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Post by Sahansdal » 30 Jun 2019, 14:36

Jachike 1 wrote:
30 Jun 2019, 14:33
I don't believe that this book or any other for that matter can change my belief about the historical evidence for the workings and person of Christ or any of his disciples, Judas inclusive. But this isn't because I'm close minded, it's actually the opposite.

I was born in a Christian home and like many others, I had my seasons of doubt which were born out of contact with the perspectives like the author holds. All the research I've done since then makes one thing clear – the Bible may have some inconsistencies or "gaps" and that's okay because it is written by humans. However, the central message of the Bible cannot be refuted beyond reasonable doubt. Many have tried for countless centuries to no avail. I've tried too in my own little way but the Bible in the end always seems to stand head and shoulders above all ridicule or questioning. The Bible and Christianity is simply evidential truth.
Now you should try reading it? - the Author

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Post by Kansas City Teacher » 30 Jun 2019, 22:08

No, this book did make me change my Christian beliefs but you have to hand it to him, he did make some good points. He raises a few good questions, but I felt that the tone towards the end of the book was accusatory. This book was very short but I sure did a lot of work keeping with all those gnostic books!

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Post by T_stone » 02 Jul 2019, 02:39

I'll agree the author has many interesting arguments but those can't change my belief.
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Post by Sahansdal » 02 Jul 2019, 15:32

T_stone wrote:
02 Jul 2019, 02:39
I'll agree the author has many interesting arguments but those can't change my belief.
What are they?

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Post by Jachike Samuelson » 02 Jul 2019, 17:49

Sahansdal wrote:
30 Jun 2019, 14:36
Jachike 1 wrote:
30 Jun 2019, 14:33
I don't believe that this book or any other for that matter can change my belief about the historical evidence for the workings and person of Christ or any of his disciples, Judas inclusive. But this isn't because I'm close minded, it's actually the opposite.

I was born in a Christian home and like many others, I had my seasons of doubt which were born out of contact with the perspectives like the author holds. All the research I've done since then makes one thing clear – the Bible may have some inconsistencies or "gaps" and that's okay because it is written by humans. However, the central message of the Bible cannot be refuted beyond reasonable doubt. Many have tried for countless centuries to no avail. I've tried too in my own little way but the Bible in the end always seems to stand head and shoulders above all ridicule or questioning. The Bible and Christianity is simply evidential truth.
Now you should try reading it? - the Author
Hahaha. I may just take you up on that offer😉😊

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Post by Jimi Adewole » 03 Jul 2019, 13:40

I went through quite a few of the earlier comments trying to find one that at least seemed to lean towards a change in religious beliefs after reading the book. Couldn't find one. How could the thoughts of the author have such little bearing on all the readers? Any one with shifting beliefs owing to the book, say something. That said, it didn't change my mind one whit either.
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Post by Sahansdal » 03 Jul 2019, 16:52

Jimi Adewole wrote:
03 Jul 2019, 13:40
I went through quite a few of the earlier comments trying to find one that at least seemed to lean towards a change in religious beliefs after reading the book. Couldn't find one. How could the thoughts of the author have such little bearing on all the readers? Any one with shifting beliefs owing to the book, say something. That said, it didn't change my mind one whit either.
I'm not trying to change beliefs. I am presenting new evidence that show the Gnostics were the originators of a mastership succession story that became the "Betrayal of Christ" narrative after the Pauline Gospel authors inverted it, which is a bombshell for Christianity. It is up to Christians to show how this now works, in light of the new information of Nag Hammadi/Al Minya. I say they can't make it work for them. There was no "Betrayal" and therefore, no historical Christ story of salvation.

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Post by kmwarren20 » 05 Jul 2019, 10:19

The book didn’t change my views on Judas. While alternative views are interesting, I still can’t see him as anything but a traitor.

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Post by Sahansdal » 08 Jul 2019, 19:06

Jachike 1 wrote:
02 Jul 2019, 17:49
Sahansdal wrote:
30 Jun 2019, 14:36
Jachike 1 wrote:
30 Jun 2019, 14:33
I don't believe that this book or any other for that matter can change my belief about the historical evidence for the workings and person of Christ or any of his disciples, Judas inclusive. But this isn't because I'm close minded, it's actually the opposite.

I was born in a Christian home and like many others, I had my seasons of doubt which were born out of contact with the perspectives like the author holds. All the research I've done since then makes one thing clear – the Bible may have some inconsistencies or "gaps" and that's okay because it is written by humans. However, the central message of the Bible cannot be refuted beyond reasonable doubt. Many have tried for countless centuries to no avail. I've tried too in my own little way but the Bible in the end always seems to stand head and shoulders above all ridicule or questioning. The Bible and Christianity is simply evidential truth.
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