Does the book change your religeous beliefs?

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Re: Does the book change your religeous beliefs?

Post by Bretagne » 18 Jun 2019, 11:57

I’m not sure I’d say the book changes my religious beliefs, but I did find it interesting to find a comparison between a series of texts rather than one source. Generally speaking, I’m not a fan of interpreting texts for their exact definition, but it really did bring new perspective here.

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Post by LinaMueller » 18 Jun 2019, 13:35

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Post by Tommi » 19 Jun 2019, 09:52

It does not. Strong religious convictions cannot easily be shaken by a single book with unauthorized source.

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Post by Sahansdal » 19 Jun 2019, 11:48

Tommi wrote:
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It does not. Strong religious convictions cannot easily be shaken by a single book with unauthorized source.
Who, exactly "authorized" the New Testament? The Church elders?

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Post by Brandy C » 20 Jun 2019, 11:03

Sahansdal wrote:
12 Jun 2019, 22:00
Brandy C wrote:
01 May 2019, 12:46
Balazon2000 wrote:
01 May 2019, 10:56
If one book could change your religious outlook then, in my opinion you are not strong in your faith. So, the answer to the question, for me, is no.
I totally agree! If the book changes your beliefs then you already had doubts and were leaning that way. If your faith is strong nothing will change or shake it.
What if that book is conclusive? You still would believe the Bible is "Holy"?
I believe the question was if the book changed your views. My answer is simple and that answer is still no. I still believe if you're strong in your faith nothing will shake that. I'm not debating one religion over another or which religion is ”right”.
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Post by Sahansdal » 20 Jun 2019, 17:54

Brandy C wrote:
20 Jun 2019, 11:03
Sahansdal wrote:
12 Jun 2019, 22:00
Brandy C wrote:
01 May 2019, 12:46

I totally agree! If the book changes your beliefs then you already had doubts and were leaning that way. If your faith is strong nothing will change or shake it.
What if that book is conclusive? You still would believe the Bible is "Holy"?
I believe the question was if the book changed your views. My answer is simple and that answer is still no. I still believe if you're strong in your faith nothing will shake that. I'm not debating one religion over another or which religion is ”right”.
What if you saw the savior in the flesh, the savior for all alive today, would that interest you? I guess not. Seeing would not be believing, right? Petalumaprogram.org

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Post by Sahansdal » 20 Jun 2019, 17:58

Don't quote me scripture that if someone says the Son is in the flesh it is of the devil. John 6:40 plainly says that you must SEE the Master to be saved. When did anyone SEE Jesus since 33 CE? (supposedly) He means see physically in 6:40 because he just told them they DID see him and didn't believe in 6:36. Do you believe the red-letter quotes of a real master (probably James) or PAUL, the Dead Sea Scrolls "Spouter of Lying"?

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Post by Melissa Breen » 23 Jun 2019, 19:37

I'm not religious but I think if I was it wouldn't change anything. It's just one book vs. Thousands of years of writings. It's interesting to read but I feel like there'd need to be a lot more proof to give people pause

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Post by Sahansdal » 23 Jun 2019, 22:39

Melissa Breen wrote:
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I'm not religious but I think if I was it wouldn't change anything. It's just one book vs. Thousands of years of writings. It's interesting to read but I feel like there'd need to be a lot more proof to give people pause
It is only in the last 30 yrs that we have had the Nag Hammadi Library, the Gospel of Judas and the Dead Sea Scrolls rightly interpreted. In fact, I am the first to do it for the Gospel of Judas and the Apocalypses of James and Peter. Think about that! For 1800 years -- nothing. Now we have the Scrolls with PAUL as "Spouter of Lying" and the Essene origins of blood salvation inverted from blood purity observances at Qumran (Dr. Robert Eisenman's findings) and the readily visible gnostic origins of The Betrayal narrative of the canonical Gospels! That's quite a seismic event for the viability of the Christian message.

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Post by Jgideon » 24 Jun 2019, 04:17

The book did not change my Christian beliefs. Judas is not the main person in Christianity...Christ is.

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Post by Mouricia25 » 25 Jun 2019, 01:15

It's an interesting argument, but it's just another opinion that I will not make my own.

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Post by Yasinta venance34 » 25 Jun 2019, 09:19

No the book doesn't change my belief. And also I still see Judas as a traitor whose action led to the world salvation if it was self sacrifice as on the author's accord, Judas could have died on Jesus' place.
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Post by Sahansdal » 26 Jun 2019, 10:12

Mouricia25 wrote:
25 Jun 2019, 01:15
It's an interesting argument, but it's just another opinion that I will not make my own.
The author here. I disagree, Mouricia. This is a new information not available before 1978. And it is examined in great detail by an expert in theology and literary analysis (me). I learned the former from a living Master, Maharaj Charan SIngh, and the latter from the expert of experts, Dr. Robert Eisenman. Can't get better credentials than that. I recommend to everyone that they read them both, a lot... www.scienceofthesul.org and http://roberteisenman.com/

The information Dr. Eisenman and I present is of the uttermost importance to the world at large, and to a third its population as believers.

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Post by Sahansdal » 26 Jun 2019, 10:20

lisalynn wrote:
01 May 2019, 22:44
No more than a Dan Brown novel. Conspiracy theories abound, and while they are fun, and often times fairly convincing, they aren't true.
It isn't a novel. I show that there is a definite literary connection between the Apocalypses of James and the canon, and that there is only one way it could have come about -- the copying and inverting of the gnostic originals. That is a monumental finding for the veracity of the Bible.

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Post by Sahansdal » 26 Jun 2019, 10:35

Vickie Noel wrote:
02 May 2019, 21:19
The solid Bible knowledge I'd acquired cannot be undermined by this book. As the Bible puts it, "To the making of many books, there is no end."- Ecclesiastes 12:12 (NWT). I'm not surprised that such a book as this has arisen to malign to words in the Holy Scriptures, but I ask myself one question, "How far is the reach of this book? Can it stand the test of time, centuries, like the Bible? I'm quite certain it won't, for I wouldn't have known about its existence if I wasn't part of OBC, unlike the Bible which babies are promptly being taught about in all parts of the world, some even while in the womb! The latter part of the earlier quoted scripture says "...and much devotion to them is wearisome to the flesh." Simply put, it's not everything you should read. To me, this book is one of them. The words in the Bible, written aforetime and still practical in our modern life, are nothing short of supernatural. If such a book that survived thousands of generations states that Judas is the betrayer of Jesus, then no other book is fit to challenge that assertion.
Vickie,

There is real irony in your comments. This is the author. It always amazes me that Christians are quick to dismiss other books, but never the Bible, which is a book. Even the one you chose, Ecclesiastes, is one that tacitly condemns the New Testament: Ecc. 1:9, "There is nothing new under the sun." Or Hosea 6:6, "God desires mercy, not sacrifice." These verses cannot coexist with a NEW story of human sacrifice. My book may not end Christianity, but the evidence I am first to present will, in time.

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