Does the book change your religeous beliefs?
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Re: Does the book change your religeous beliefs?
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Setting aside the intrinsic bifurcation in the direction this thread was taking, just what is it you[Santiago] wrote: ↑17 Jul 2019, 12:02 It does not challenge my beliefs. Even though some non-widespread facts about the character are exposed throughout the book, the responsible insight in the motivations behinds the main actions still confirm the settled paradigm of Judas as a traitor. Moreover, only with a thorough bias-detection by the reader can quickly spoil the author's resources for a perspective-shifting effect (considering it might have been incidental), such as framing, language determinism, and logic figures.
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Thanks for your comment. Would you consider reviewing on Amazon?fmd1821 wrote: ↑18 Jul 2019, 06:34 A short answer to this question is: no, but there a lot more things to consider. Misreading Judas is one of those reads that made me think a lot, not only about religion, but about many other subjects in general. I have not changed my opinion about Judas, but the book has made me think about a character's portrayal and the influence of tradition on his representation. I value this book especially for this reason.
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There is much evidence to the contrary. Other writers of the mythicist persuasion (no historical Jesus) have taken up the impossibility of the Gospels and Acts being history. Richard Carrier and Richard Pervo are two of them. The Mystery of Acts is excellent. Carrier's On the Historicity of Jesus is going to be a standard.dorebri2020 wrote: ↑18 Jul 2019, 09:37 This has not changed my beliefs in the slightest. While I still hold Judas as somewhat a 'traitor', he was only such in God's eyes and plan. Therefore, in my mind, Judas was always a catalyst or instigator more than he was a traitor. Simply put, Jesus had to die. It was merely predestined, and this book has encouraged my belief on such.
https://www.amazon.com/Mystery-Acts-Unr ... ords=pervo
http://infidels.org/library/modern/rich ... uzzle.html
Judas is pure invention. He never lived. Others say so, not just me. Dr. Robert Eisenman knows. http://csulb.edu/centers/sjco/ His books are a real education just by themselves on how the New Testament cannot be history. He is a Ph.D. in the field.
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Wow! The way you're presenting your ”point” is the reason many people don't believe. It seems to be your way or no way. You can't make someone believe one way or another by trying to ram it down their throat or bully them! Of course, seeing the Savior would interest me. Seeing is believing but not all of it. We believe in many things we can't visually see.Sahansdal wrote: ↑20 Jun 2019, 17:54What if you saw the savior in the flesh, the savior for all alive today, would that interest you? I guess not. Seeing would not be believing, right? Petalumaprogram.org
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Why do you say I'm bullying? I am not the one who makes the rules! The rule is, has always been, will always be, that a living Master is necessary to obtain permanent release from lower worlds, like this one. Salvation is not saved from death, but saved from rebirth. You won't find that in the church version. But it is everywhere in any master's teachings. You who cleave to the Church's Christ teachings have been misled, on purpose back in the beginning, now probably just through ignorance of the current church leaders.Brandy C wrote: ↑18 Jul 2019, 12:06Wow! The way you're presenting your ”point” is the reason many people don't believe. It seems to be your way or no way. You can't make someone believe one way or another by trying to ram it down their throat or bully them! Of course, seeing the Savior would interest me. Seeing is believing but not all of it. We believe in many things we can't visually see.
The Christian teachings happen to be the only ones that I know of which are conceived as disinformation. Other religions are not. Purposeful deception such as this is unforgivable. We KNOW they are false from new discoveries of THE ORIGINAL stories.
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Why does everyone act so defensively? I don't make the rules! I'm only the messenger. I'm trying my best, in a labor of love, since there is no money in this, to fill people in on things THEY CAN CHECK THEMSELVES.Brandy C wrote: ↑18 Jul 2019, 12:06Wow! The way you're presenting your ”point” is the reason many people don't believe. It seems to be your way or no way. You can't make someone believe one way or another by trying to ram it down their throat or bully them! Of course, seeing the Savior would interest me. Seeing is believing but not all of it. We believe in many things we can't visually see.
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This is not history. It is literature! You should read the mythicists before looking at the New Testament again.Kemunto lucy wrote: ↑19 Jul 2019, 14:10 I always have an open mind to many things but my religious beliefs are firm. This book can't in any way change that. Judas was disloyal and these are just excuses for his betrayal.
Pervo:https://www.amazon.com/Mystery-Acts-Unr ... ords=pervo
Carrier:http://richardcarrier.blogspot.com/2011 ... s.html?m=1
Eisenman:http://roberteisenman.com/
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I don't know how many stars you might give me, but I do need reviews.
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Again the question was if the book changed your views? Once again I'm saying no. Like I stated before, I'm not arguing one religion over another or saying who is wrong or right. Yes, I personally feel the way you're presenting your side is intense. You know nothing about me or my religion. I don't cleave to the Church’s teachings. I'm not entirely in one camp or another. My personal beliefs are a combination of many things. I don't feel like I have to justify my beliefs or those reasons. We can agree to disagree because we all are entitled to our opinions.Sahansdal wrote: ↑18 Jul 2019, 13:14Why do you say I'm bullying? I am not the one who makes the rules! The rule is, has always been, will always be, that a living Master is necessary to obtain permanent release from lower worlds, like this one. Salvation is not saved from death but saved from rebirth. You won't find that in the church version. But it is everywhere in any master's teachings. You who cleave to the Church's Christ teachings have been misled, on purpose back in the beginning, now probably just through ignorance of the current church leaders.Brandy C wrote: ↑18 Jul 2019, 12:06Wow! The way you're presenting your ”point” is the reason many people don't believe. It seems to be your way or no way. You can't make someone believe one way or another by trying to ram it down their throat or bully them! Of course, seeing the Savior would interest me. Seeing is believing but not all of it. We believe in many things we can't visually see.
The Christian teachings happen to be the only ones that I know of which are conceived as disinformation. Other religions are not. Purposeful deception such as this is unforgivable. We KNOW they are false from new discoveries of THE ORIGINAL stories.
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Your response and position come off as aggressive that is why it seems we are defensive.Sahansdal wrote: ↑18 Jul 2019, 13:20Why does everyone act so defensively? I don't make the rules! I'm only the messenger. I'm trying my best, in a labor of love, since there is no money in this, to fill people in on things THEY CAN CHECK THEMSELVES.Brandy C wrote: ↑18 Jul 2019, 12:06Wow! The way you're presenting your ”point” is the reason many people don't believe. It seems to be your way or no way. You can't make someone believe one way or another by trying to ram it down their throat or bully them! Of course, seeing the Savior would interest me. Seeing is believing but not all of it. We believe in many things we can't visually see.