Does the book change your religeous beliefs?

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Re: Does the book change your religeous beliefs?

Post by Sahansdal » 09 Jul 2019, 22:20

Heatholt wrote:
09 Jul 2019, 16:13
I wouldn't say that the book changed my beliefs, as I was already a skeptic. However, it did reinforce some of the things I had thought of before. That made for a really nice read.
Glad to hear it! Would you consider reviewing it on Amazon?
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Post by aacodreanu » 11 Jul 2019, 13:25

Books are nice and they are a pass time, also a source of income for some. However, religion is too important, at least to me, to even consider that any book might change it.

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Post by Sahansdal » 11 Jul 2019, 14:25

aacodreanu wrote:
11 Jul 2019, 13:25
Books are nice and they are a pass time, also a source of income for some. However, religion is too important, at least to me, to even consider that any book might change it.
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Post by Sahansdal » 11 Jul 2019, 17:48

MirageP wrote:
15 Jun 2019, 12:05
I was a Christian in 1974. Then In 1975, I saw this book. http://www.scienceofthesoul.org/product_p/en-036-0.htm
It changed the course of my life forever. So one book can change one's long-held convictions. If you are a Christian, didn't the Bible change yours? I don't see why anyone thinks the Bible is unique.
I'm sorry, I did not mean to be dismissive about your book. In fact, I'm a Hindu, not Christian. I've read a few books that question the behaviour/values/acts of (Hindu) God's avatars on earth, and I was not swayed by any of them. Although I'm aware that Hinduism and Christianity differ in fundamentals like chalk from cheese, I believe faith itself is inherently unshakeable, whether in the Bible or the Ramayan.
I don't see faith in any writing. I see it as a reaction to that writing. You have faith or you don't in something.

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Post by kick » 12 Jul 2019, 12:34

yeah...becoz every thing you know about your religion it may right or may wrong so i thinj you should explore it through books and a book can change your mind set,,,, mau be

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Post by Erin » 14 Jul 2019, 09:55

The book does cause me to reconsider my religious beliefs. I now am remembering that I first questioned some of the church's teachings when reading the Da Vinci Code. I am open to new information and will consider reading more on this subject. The author made many suggestions regarding additional readings and websites for further information. I have also done some reading about meditation and Eastern teachings, so that is why I may be open to the ideas presented by the author. I would not say that I have changed my beliefs, but I will approach them with a more spiritual interpretation and not such a literal one.

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Post by Samisah » 14 Jul 2019, 12:12

The attempt by the book to make Judas a hero is laughable and cannot alter the mindset of any meaningful reader.
The "facts" states here are unreliable and untested as well.

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Post by cdhundley » 14 Jul 2019, 14:13

It's an interesting interpretation and while the book is well-sourced, it does not change my beliefs, nor does it deepen my understanding of the numinous.
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Post by Sahansdal » 14 Jul 2019, 15:10

Samisah wrote:
14 Jul 2019, 12:12
The attempt by the book to make Judas a hero is laughable and cannot alter the mindset of any meaningful reader.
The "facts" states here are unreliable and untested as well.
I don't "make Judas a hero." Did you read the book?

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Post by Areej Tahir » 16 Jul 2019, 08:57

I am not a Christian so It didn't really leave a big effect on me.

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Post by e-reeder » 16 Jul 2019, 17:53

It changes nothing for me. Saying Judas was not a traitor is like saying Peter didn't hear the cock crow three times! I however, like how the book has brought so many questionable ideas.

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Post by Sahansdal » 16 Jul 2019, 18:12

e-reeder wrote:
16 Jul 2019, 17:53
It changes nothing for me. Saying Judas was not a traitor is like saying Peter didn't hear the cock crow three times! I however, like how the book has brought so many questionable ideas.
HA. Funny you should mention Peter's "denials." Never happened! They were Jesus's denials. Read the first paragraph of the Apocalypse of Peter. No way did Peter say he didn't know Jesus. The original was about being denied inner vision in meditation. It will not be seen as possible for this to work the other way around. The GNOSTIC story is the one that came first. This shows that the canon is false all by itself. A wonder no scholar ever noticed.
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Post by Thundershake » 16 Jul 2019, 19:56

Kibetious wrote:
01 May 2019, 04:10
No, it does not. No matter how much how Judas may be portrayed I guess, he still remains to be the traitor who ended up committing suicide.
I agree with what you are saying

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Post by [Santiago] » 17 Jul 2019, 12:02

It does not challenge my beliefs. Even though some non-widespread facts about the character are exposed throughout the book, the responsible insight in the motivations behinds the main actions still confirm the settled paradigm of Judas as a traitor. Moreover, only with a thorough bias-detection by the reader can quickly spoil the author's resources for a perspective-shifting effect (considering it might have been incidental), such as framing, language determinism, and logic figures.

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Post by Sahansdal » 17 Jul 2019, 15:40

[Santiago] wrote:
17 Jul 2019, 12:02
It does not challenge my beliefs. Even though some non-widespread facts about the character are exposed throughout the book, the responsible insight in the motivations behinds the main actions still confirm the settled paradigm of Judas as a traitor. Moreover, only with a thorough bias-detection by the reader can quickly spoil the author's resources for a perspective-shifting effect (considering it might have been incidental), such as framing, language determinism, and logic figures.
Setting aside the intrinsic bifurcation in the direction this thread was taking, just what is it you
are trying to say?

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