What's you opinion on the experience of ingesting of a plant concoction in the Amazon?
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What's you opinion on the experience of ingesting of a plant concoction in the Amazon?
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I never thought of it that way, but now that you mentioned it, some plants could give hallucinations and these tribes mistake it as visions. It really does make me think about whether it's true or not.abbiejoice wrote: ↑07 Mar 2019, 23:51 I feel uncomfortable whenever I remember the author's experience of a vision after ingesting a plant concoction. This opens the possibility of a hallucination and thus, questions the validity of his vision.
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I'm going to have to agree with you on this one. He also stated that he received a larger portion than the rest, which I believe is the reason his 'vision' began early than the others. I don't feel like you should have to endure a purge to connect with visions. He certainly felt the physical effects of stress on his body, let alone the mental repercussions of the hallucinatory drugs.abbiejoice wrote: ↑07 Mar 2019, 23:51 I feel uncomfortable whenever I remember the author's experience of a vision after ingesting a plant concoction. This opens the possibility of a hallucination and thus, questions the validity of his vision.
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I really like that you highlighted this. I think it’s very interesting because for me, living in the U.S. and raised by conservative and Catholic parents who are very anti-substance use (other than alcohol which is seen as normal), taking substances was never seen as normal in any way. I know there’s is a segment of people in the US (even outside the Native American community, which I see another commenter has referenced) for whom the infection of substances for spiritual purposes is normal, but they are often dismissed (at least in the community I was raised in) as weirdo hippies.Amanda Deck wrote: ↑07 Mar 2019, 20:07 So many societies have done this throughout history that I assume it's a reasonable thing to do. Especially, or maybe only, if those societies still exist and are something noteworthy that we can learn from. I've read that some have the same effect as meditation and prayer though I'd be wary of ingesting such things.
I think it’s interesting how normal this was and still is in many societies specifically for the purpose of accessing spiritual truths. It can be hard to fully wrap my mind around this perspective, especially coming from a perspective in which brain chemistry can determine our experiences so thoroughly. For me, it’s hard to imagine seeing any essentially drug-induced experience as accessing a huge ransoms truth, but this is probably a perspective that has historically been rare and atypical.
I agree with other commenters that this was a risky activity for him to do and that I probably wouldn’t do it. It’s impossible for me to say it didn’t affect his visions. But I guess I’m interested in understanding why for some people and societies, this last part doesn’t necessarily matter.
Good topic, thanks for bringing it up!