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Post by AliceofX » 10 Sep 2018, 11:28

Katherine Smith wrote:
09 Sep 2018, 12:56
The gods and goddesses in the story are an important element because it reflects the times before the monotheistic religions were founded.
Your statement is historically inaccurate. Apollo's Raven takes place in 24 AD when Judaism and Zoroastrianism, both monotheistic religions, have existed for many centuries. Not to mention the many Greek philosophical movements that advocated monotheism.

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Post by lesler » 10 Sep 2018, 22:14

I thought the Gods and Goddesses were fun. I loved when the characters would exclaim "my gods."

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Post by AmySmiles » 10 Sep 2018, 22:14

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I do not think there are societies that still believe in gods and goddesses. They are a things of the past. There is only one supreme being.
I agree with you about only one supreme being, but I think you are severely mistaken to believe that others believing in more than one god is a thing of the past.
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Post by CommMayo » 11 Sep 2018, 16:05

lesler wrote:
10 Sep 2018, 22:14
I thought the Gods and Goddesses were fun. I loved when the characters would exclaim "my gods."
Haha, I also enjoy that aspect of books where the characters belong to polytheistic religions. It always gives me a bit of a chuckle.

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Post by ShareTheGift » 13 Sep 2018, 18:03

I thought it was I treating that the author used the word "cathos" which typically relates to Catholics. The dtatement from her father was "Do not let this cathos control you? You must find the strength to balance your rage with love, loyalty, and sacrifice to become a great queen? Catholic really doesn't fit. Anyone have an idea what she was aiming for, "vision" perhaps?

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Post by kdstrack » 13 Sep 2018, 18:09

ShareTheGift wrote:
13 Sep 2018, 18:03
I thought it was I treating that the author used the word "cathos" which typically relates to Catholics. The dtatement from her father was "Do not let this cathos control you? You must find the strength to balance your rage with love, loyalty, and sacrifice to become a great queen? Catholic really doesn't fit. Anyone have an idea what she was aiming for, "vision" perhaps?
I think the author explains this on p. 374: "Cathos" means detestation or hatred in the ancient Celtic language. Amren was encouraging Catrin to control her negative feelings of hate and anger. That would fit with the Celtic usage of 'cathos.'

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Post by NuelUkah » 14 Sep 2018, 08:15

CommMayo wrote:
01 Sep 2018, 11:16
To me, it felt as if there really were no gods or goddesses, just everyday people pretending to interpret messages from their gods. While there were elements of mysticism, I never got the feeling that actual gods were at play shaping the destiny of the characters.
Yes. True. The roles of the gods as portrayed in this book just shows the massive deception of people by so called oracles. I don't believe in gods because they are mere strongholds that exists only in the minds of their followers, even though there were mystical powers in the story.
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Post by sanjus » 16 Sep 2018, 02:31

In the times as depicted in the story of this book, the people might have had complete faith in gods and goddesses and believed that every thing from fertility, crops and peace was gift from gods and goddesses.
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Post by KMSingh » 16 Sep 2018, 10:23

CommMayo wrote:
01 Sep 2018, 11:16
To me, it felt as if there really were no gods or goddesses, just everyday people pretending to interpret messages from their gods. While there were elements of mysticism, I never got the feeling that actual gods were at play shaping the destiny of the characters.
I think you're right about that. Though I think Tanner did a pretty good job of creating the world her characters inhabited, the gods themselves didn't feel connected. I mean, I'm not a fan of the whole goddess myth thing, but I was willing to suspend my disbelief for the sake of the story. But now that you mention it that aspect could have been better developed. In fact, there were times I got the impression that she wrote "for the love of God" and then changed it to "for the love of gods". It was awkward.
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Post by holsam_87 » 17 Sep 2018, 15:22

The interpretation of the God's and Goddesses was well done. We got to see how things were going to affect both sides of the equation.
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Post by CommMayo » 20 Sep 2018, 20:28

sanjus wrote:
16 Sep 2018, 02:31
In the times as depicted in the story of this book, the people might have had complete faith in gods and goddesses and believed that every thing from fertility, crops and peace was gift from gods and goddesses.
If you ask me, it isn't that different from this day and age. After any disaster, accident, or generally bad thing that happens my Facebook feed is full of nothing but "thoughts and prayers". As if people believe that actually accomplishes anything. I don't think we have really come that far from having complete faith in a mystical hand guiding our lives.

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Post by Rodrigo Niguez » 21 Sep 2018, 15:36

I think the people of the ancient world believed so much in gods and goddesses. I think thise gods were powerful and worked wonders in their lives then.

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Post by Kgaelsdottir » 23 Sep 2018, 19:52

Your comment helps make me want to read the book even more now...do you think it was intentional on the author's part to have it be cursory, or do you think it was about not really delving too much into the mystical aspects of the spirituality?
CommMayo wrote:
01 Sep 2018, 11:16
To me, it felt as if there really were no gods or goddesses, just everyday people pretending to interpret messages from their gods. While there were elements of mysticism, I never got the feeling that actual gods were at play shaping the destiny of the characters.

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Post by CommMayo » 23 Sep 2018, 22:16

Kgaelsdottir wrote:
23 Sep 2018, 19:52
Your comment helps make me want to read the book even more now...do you think it was intentional on the author's part to have it be cursory, or do you think it was about not really delving too much into the mystical aspects of the spirituality?
CommMayo wrote:
01 Sep 2018, 11:16
To me, it felt as if there really were no gods or goddesses, just everyday people pretending to interpret messages from their gods. While there were elements of mysticism, I never got the feeling that actual gods were at play shaping the destiny of the characters.
I think it was totally intentional. It shows how rulers used the beliefs of their people to keep them under control. There is a scene in the beginning where the king tells the mystic how to interpret an omen from the gods so the villagers are appeased.

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Post by joshfee77 » 23 Sep 2018, 22:43

JuliaKay wrote:
01 Sep 2018, 16:07
In ancient times, every aspect of life was ruled by the Gods. Fertility, crops, life and death, etcetera. So I think this book accurately portrayed it.
Good point. Ancient times were all about the worship of gods and goddesses for virtually every facet of human life.

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