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Post by briellejee » 11 Oct 2018, 03:34

The Roman is truly patriarchic and that is no surprise and the Celts have been treating women as equals, though it might have been a part of their culture which may not be a promotion to gender equality. But still, the womesn in this story is truly exceptional.
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Post by Jsovermyer » 11 Oct 2018, 16:13

AliceofX wrote:
01 Sep 2018, 15:36
cristinaro wrote:
01 Sep 2018, 05:05
Is there any difference between the way Celts and Romans saw women and their roles?
Was the Celtic system genuinely promoting gender equality or not?
So I've been doing some reading and from what I understand there was no such thing as "Celts." Instead, it was various different tribes and people from the British Isles to Anatolia. There is no answer to that question because there was no such thing as a Celtic system.

Besides that, as a history lover, I have grown extremely skeptical about claims of ancient matriarchal or gender-equal societies. There's no solid evidence for them, just wishful thinking that doesn't align with reality. I'm just sick of certain feminists who think rewriting history is going to "inspire women" or something like that when all it does is delegitimize the movement and makes them appear like quacks.
I think that the author may have exaggerated the difference of how the Romans and Celts treated women to make the Romans seem more villainous. The Roman senator Lucius is being set up as the bad guy.

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Post by Farida Bali » 12 Oct 2018, 01:50

The Celtic women were more powerful than the Roman women; they had more influence in society than their Roman counterparts, though I wouldn't say they were seen as equal to their men.

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Post by A G Darr » 18 Oct 2018, 20:51

The Celtic women seemed to have it better off than Roman women, at least in certain Celtic tribes. Though it wasn't perfect for Celtic women. It was unfair that King Amren offered his daughters the ability to choose their own spouses, then took the choice away. It was kind of like just saying they had a choice to pacify them so they wouldn't complain, then last minute making the women someone else's problem.

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Post by Vitter Krane » 18 Oct 2018, 23:00

Unlike the oppressive Roman laws, equality was could be seen in the Ceultian laws. Women were not treated as second class citizens, a factor which enabled them to stand up for themselves. There women were empowered and strong.

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Post by Browlyns » 19 Oct 2018, 10:06

The fact that this book is of historical fiction genre, the author had no choice but to portray women strongly since in Celt history, women were powerful members of society and even ruled as queens.

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Post by JHuschle519 » 22 Oct 2018, 04:27

I haven't finished this book yet, but I think you can see the difference in how the two cultures treat women right from the start. Senator Lucius Antonius clearly shows his disdain for women being treated as equals multiple times during his meetings with King Amren. The two genders may not always hold have equal footing in the Celt culture, but it is a lot closer than the Roman culture.

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Post by meadhbh » 22 Oct 2018, 15:17

I think there's kind of a romantic idea that Celtic society was incredibly non-biased against women, although I don't think this is necessarily true.

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Post by evan1995muniz » 24 Oct 2018, 15:27

As a woman, I am always drawn to other strong women. You can learn from them. I have always loved strong important female characters.

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Post by Theresam » 13 Nov 2018, 16:17

I loved that there were strong women characters in the book. They were well defined and powerful characters that really propelled the story.

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Post by GretchenLee » 13 Nov 2018, 21:39

This was actually one of the first things I noticed when reading the novel. The first time we meet the king and queen, the king speaks very highly of his wife and daughters, as if their virtues and successes were as important as his own. I liked this--and I felt it was pretty ahead-of-their-time. When I realized the Romans were judgmental of the women and "did not recognize them" (or something along those lines) as possible heirs, I figured -this- was much more accurate to the time/setting of the novel. I felt as though the Celtic system was pretty nice. The king looked to his wife, and taught his daughters to fight for themselves.

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Post by ochiengjr01 » 14 Nov 2018, 09:00

In the story i think the Celts tried to understand the role of women in the society not just for sex and other irritating roles. Unlike the Romans who undermined the efforts of women in achieving what they wished.

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Post by CBCollinsReview » 17 Nov 2018, 14:26

I agree that there were several strong and well-established women characters in this book. Indeed, it appeared that the Celtics encouraged woman leadership, while the Roman's did not. This was suggested multiple times when Catrin's mother told her she would be nothing but a common whore if she went to Rome with Marcellus. It would have been interesting to know how the Celtic's viewed Vala's preference towards women. This would have not only showed insight into the society of Catrin's people but could have possibly established Vala as a more prominent character in the novel.

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Post by Franc93 » 19 Nov 2018, 07:04

There is a great difference in the way these two civilizations treated the fairer sex. I think most of it had to do with old age traditions and customs. The Celts women played a much bigger role in society almost with equal footing as men. The Romans were the exact opposite. Believing that females should be submissive.
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Post by Sweetp120 » 02 Dec 2018, 20:00

I think it accurately showed that Celtic women were more respected than the Roman women.

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