The Elderly and Retired; Thoughts from Final Notice

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Re: The Elderly and Retired; Thoughts from Final Notice

Post by Sefiros2211 » 03 Jun 2018, 14:48

It's because people perceive themselves as immortals. They have to. They must selfishly believe that bad things happen to other people. If they truly see themselves as vulnerable, that they're the same as everybody else, no one would get out of bed. We reject fear to live without it.

The elderly live with that. They may not say it, but they think of it. Anyone can be Vince Fuller. They get knocked down by a terrifying, intimidating and overwhelming presence, and something precious is robbed from them. Their sense of identity. Their peace of mind. Some seek violence because violence has been done to them -- it's a physical solution, a reaction, a justification. Big strong man knocked me down like a cockroach? Let's see how tough he is with a Colt .45 in his face.

I'm not saying gun violence is justifiable. I'm saying its a channel from which some people are using to escape that feeling of worthlessness. When they choose that channel, the rewards for re-establishing who's on the top of the pyramid is fleeting. The rush of superiority does not last. And for what? Hurting someone? Killing someone? What would you do to get that confidence back?

Almost anything.

The elderly may be our grandparents, but they're still human. They still make mistakes. Relying on a gun is a pretty big one. Just saying.

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Post by Carris72 » 05 Jun 2018, 09:04

jessinikkip wrote:
04 Mar 2018, 02:54
From the perspective of living in the US, I'd say the book very accurately portrays how the elderly are treated. I was reading an article just the other day about how someone can be declared unable to care for themselves and set to a retirement home with a "caretaker" over looking their stuff. This is all legally binding and the caretaker is whoever is on the court payroll - NOT family of the elder. Then that caretaker can take payments from the person's bank account, sell their house and car, keep their family from seeing them....
I think it's sad that the elderly are treated this way. In my culture, the scene is different. If you don't want to treat them with love, at least show some respect! You may not live as long as they did.

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Post by CheyenneR » 18 Jun 2018, 22:23

I think that his depiction and your description are somewhat accurate with many people. I don't feel that older people are a burden at all but it is all too easy to see how many younger people feel the opposite way. I just returned from a trip to Japan and it was very interesting to see the difference in how the elderly are treated there (extremely respected) versus how they are treated here (somewhat a burden).

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Post by pricklypurple » 30 Jun 2018, 08:22

I really think there a far fewer bitter, resentful old people as portrayed in this book. I think the majority of people as they age stop caring much and realize their life's values have been skewed in the wrong direction for the majority of it.

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Post by Book Bear » 06 Jul 2018, 11:57

Discrimination and abuse against the older generations in society is prevalent and worsening. There is so much talk of sexism and racism but ageism is rarely discussed. It is covered up and older people are sidelined in society (I live in the UK and see it all the time here). I haven't read all this book yet but feel so strongly about the subject having seen my elderly neighbours suffer through a very poor care system. This book resonates so much with me.

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Post by Rain18 » 16 Sep 2018, 22:23

While it's hard for me to fathom the nursing home shooting, the other scenarios seem to be pretty realistic. The elderly are targeted because they are often viewed as easy prey. What with health issues like Alzheimer's, vision problems and arthritis, to name just a few, a lot of our elderly rely on the assistance of others. This is often when you find cases of abuse, neglect, and victimization occurring.

In the area of technology, it's important for people to stay abreast of the rapid changes and remain relevant. It's easier said than done but as the saying goes, "when you stop learning, you start dying." It was great that Vince was open to learning to use a MAC after he'd been a PC user for years.
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Post by DC Brown » 19 Oct 2018, 22:29

Manali_DC wrote:
03 Mar 2018, 03:49
I think the descriptions of the elderly and retired are very accurately portrayed in the book. The general perception is that the elderly are weak and slow and they don't know much about modern technology. That could be very frustrating to a lot of retired elderly people, who might have actually been in a position of power, management, scientific development- and this is what is shown in the book. The anger and resentment in a such a situation is understandable.
I have to agree with you about how the elderly are portrayed, and the general perception of us. Being elderly, hardly able to walk, I try to walk by the wall out of everyone else's way. I am very conscious of the changes that have occurred as I have aged. I hate it. But the option isn't great, either.

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Post by Theresam » 23 Oct 2018, 15:19

The book portrayed the elderly as unappreciated in the way they were treated in some instances but overall the elderly characters were very knowledgeable and interesting. The dinner conversations were in depth discussions about topics that are in the news today

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Post by chelhack » 27 Oct 2018, 11:18

I believe that all of those actions go to show the younger generations disregard towards elders. Nobody wants to get old and be stuck in a nursing home or have to depend upon others to give them the care that they need. But, this is one of lifes cycles so at some point or aanother it is going to happen. But would you want to be in a place that you were totally miserable and somewhat isolated as the older gentleman who shoots up the nursing facility was even if his isolation was self-caused?
I don't think that it justified the teenager pushing the guy down I believe it was one of those things to show you what could happen or how the older guy was feeling as results of that situation.
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Post by Theresam » 18 Dec 2018, 15:17

I think they were characterized accurately. They were active and involved in their communities and politics. They were intelligent and articulate. So many times the elderly are stereotyped - I didn’t feel like they were portrayed that way in this book. I thought it was a Very interesting book

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Post by Jessacardinal » 04 Feb 2019, 13:40

I do think elderly individuals are perceived to be weaker. I absolutely feel they also fear for their safety. Respecting elders is sadly a thing of the past. Current times in America allow for instantaneous gratification. These days, qualities such as maintaining manners and having patience seem to be nearly obsolete. There is always someone or something more important. We live in a sad time.
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Post by Renu G » 21 Mar 2019, 06:53

After spending their lives caring for others, the elderly do feel marginalized. They have many concerns. The book brings that out quite well. However, young people also have challenges which make it difficult to satisfy the needs of the elderly. Nuclear families have aggravated the situation. They were taken care of in joint families.

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Post by Prisallen » 05 Apr 2019, 10:20

I think, in general, that we live in such a fast paced society that no one feels like they have the time to "forgive" someone for walking too slow or driving too slow, etc. Until our mindset changes and we slow down and appreciate what is important, I don't think that will change

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